This is an old one that bothered St Thomas Aquinas amongst others. It is about the relationship between God (necessarily 'other') and us (created).
The concept of a lie is a human creation - a construct of logic and language. We can only observe what we know of God from within our human perspective. Thus we find it impossible to answer a question such as 'Could God lie?'
'By accepting that belief in God must be in harmony with reason, the religious believer is obliged to take seriously claims that belief in God is irrational.'
(Julian Bagganini in 'The Pig That Wabhts to be Eaten')
I think it's also "Baggini" not "Bagganini". But let's not be pedantic. That book any good? I like reading "the philosophers' magazine" (which Baggini edits) but have never read any of his books.
By the way, I have often heard it said that "God is good", "God is true" and such statements are to be read as definitions: what God does is the definition of good and true and loving and so on. Personally, I think such a point of view is absurd as it makes any "God is..." statement contentless - a priori analytic - and therefore such statements give you no reason to worship or follow God. And I think the Caroline's little puzzle shows the problems you get into with such positions. I think rather that "God is..." statements are not logical definitions but statements that paint a picture of what a transcendent God is like with respect to our spacetimebound, human concepts.
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At Wednesday, 01 March, 2006, Jonathan Potts said…
...which belies the question: "does God determine what is true or is truth seperate to God?" I'd go for the latter. If God lies, it's still a lie.
Can God create a rock that he can't lift?
At Thursday, 02 March, 2006, Steve Tilley said…
This is an old one that bothered St Thomas Aquinas amongst others. It is about the relationship between God (necessarily 'other') and us (created).
The concept of a lie is a human creation - a construct of logic and language. We can only observe what we know of God from within our human perspective. Thus we find it impossible to answer a question such as 'Could God lie?'
'By accepting that belief in God must be in harmony with reason, the religious believer is obliged to take seriously claims that belief in God is irrational.'
(Julian Bagganini in 'The Pig That Wabhts to be Eaten')
At Thursday, 02 March, 2006, Steve Tilley said…
That's '..Wants to be Eaten'
At Thursday, 02 March, 2006, Jonathan Potts said…
I think it's also "Baggini" not "Bagganini". But let's not be pedantic. That book any good? I like reading "the philosophers' magazine" (which Baggini edits) but have never read any of his books.
At Thursday, 02 March, 2006, Jonathan Potts said…
By the way, I have often heard it said that "God is good", "God is true" and such statements are to be read as definitions: what God does is the definition of good and true and loving and so on. Personally, I think such a point of view is absurd as it makes any "God is..." statement contentless - a priori analytic - and therefore such statements give you no reason to worship or follow God. And I think the Caroline's little puzzle shows the problems you get into with such positions. I think rather that "God is..." statements are not logical definitions but statements that paint a picture of what a transcendent God is like with respect to our spacetimebound, human concepts.
At Friday, 03 March, 2006, Steve Tilley said…
I'm enjoying the book. Yes it is Julian Baggini (Granta 2005). It is set out in 100 short essays so you can read one a day and ponder.
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